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 :newhere: Hi everyone, I just came over the Dark Side (hehe), and this is my first time posting. This is a post I made on Kingsnake a couple days ago, and I still think the images are really cool, so I'm copying and pasting. Consider this my first hello, and give you guys something to read and oggle at. Cheers!!:::


Posted by:  illbeyoursoldier  at Tue Feb 24 18:47:36 2009

Want to see something cool (and unsettling on my part)?? Bet you never see photos like this in the forums, LoL!

These are the Radiographs/X-Rays of my WC Gravid Female, who I have been affectionately calling "Lucky." Please keep in mind that these films have been edited only in contrast for visibility purposes -- when you convert the DiCom image to a JPeg it looses alot of its image quality, and if you don't have an amazing HD screen or a screen meant for viewing Radiographs you're even worse off!! Also, in all of these photos the caudal end (or tail end) is towards the top, and the cranial end (or head end) is towards the bottom. The "R" stands for right side. These photos are looking down on the snake, so her back is up (there should have been a "DV" tag in these photos meaning Dorsal to Ventral, but there were cut off).

I purchased Lucky from Ian G and she is quite gorgeous for a big fancy normal. I know a lot of people are against the WC Gamble, but Frank hand picked her out of a tub of normal gravids with a hope to have our own eggs. We are new to the breeding game (though we are not new to keeping snakes) and last year was had no luck with the only 3 females we had up to size. We are having better luck this year, at least I hope.

As Lucky is a WC import, I have no idea when she ovulated, but we were starting to get concerned that she should have laid her eggs by now. She's lost her glow and she's shed TWICE since we've had her... so0o I took her in to my animal hospital to have her looked at by our exotics vet expert -- is she still developing and I am worrying over nothing? Off-chance that she re-absorbed her follicles?? Is she egg-bound??



The ultrasound was very inconclusive as far as a stage in development in the eggs, but these were the X-Rays. The X-Rays only take a 40 cm film, so it was impossible for to get her wriggly self straight and get an accurate number of eggs, but there are at least 7.

However, if you look at the zoomed in rad below, you can see why we are worried. About 10 or 12 vertebrae up from her vent, she has about 8 or so broken ribs. The white blotchy/ghost-like things in that area we are assuming to be slugs.



The breaks all look very old and healed. At this point I can only hope that she's just not ready -- otherwise, she has broken ribs and slugs blocking the healthy eggs way out. Fortunately, the broken slices of ribs all seem to be on the outer part of the rib cage, so there are not fragments floating around in laterally in the middle. For now she is getting a BID/twice-daily calcium supplement until she lays. If she does not lay soon, I might have to consider Surgery.

If anyone out there is able to shed some light on this, GO FOR IT!! All help is appreciated. Even ideas in diagnostics ideas are appreciated. I know some vets wander these forums! Until than, here are some photos of the outside of her, let me know what you think!


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Re: Ever wonder what eggs look like when they're still inside the ball pyton?
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2009, 04:38:23 PM »
Awesome Chelsea!!!!  Glad to see you over here hun and those xrays are really fascinating!!!  :welcome: :nicethread: :kickass: :kewlpics:
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Re: Ever wonder what eggs look like when they're still inside the ball pyton?
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2009, 04:41:28 PM »
Awesome shots. How long have you had her now? Those do look pretty close to ready to come out... has she been cruising her cage at all? like possibly looking for a place to lay?
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Re: Ever wonder what eggs look like when they're still inside the ball pyton?
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2009, 04:52:43 PM »
We got her at the January Havre De Garce show from Ian G... so January 10th, and she's shed twice since than. She has been very alert and responsive, but about as active as you can expect a Gravid Girl to be. She has been sticking to the warm side of her been coiled, but not in that "perfect coil" you usually see before they lay. She has not been cruising at all, but she hasn't lost her spunk. She struck at Cheyenne, one of my co-workers, and tried to bite her three times when we were taking the films, and she has not problem struggling away from the meds. But alas, no cruising like she looking for a lay spot.
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Re: Ever wonder what eggs look like when they're still inside the ball pyton?
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2009, 04:54:49 PM »
wow, well it should be any day now... when were those pics taken? I'd leave her along and try to minimize any stress... they usually lay when the barometric pressure drops... some light misting could be helpful too. Definately eager to see how this turns out for you.
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Re: Ever wonder what eggs look like when they're still inside the ball pyton?
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2009, 04:55:38 PM »
Awesome Chelsea!!!!  Glad to see you over here hun and those xrays are really fascinating!!!  :welcome: :nicethread: :kickass: :kewlpics:

Hey!! I see the Southern Boa Gurl has TWO ball pythons now :) Haha, told ya you woulb be SUCKED in, LoL. Once you buy a ball python you're trapped forever! Thanks for the kind words. I've been hearing a lot of good things about this site, just still have to figure it all out!! The layout of the threads are kind of confusing, but I'm working on it! LoL
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Re: Ever wonder what eggs look like when they're still inside the ball pyton?
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2009, 04:58:28 PM »
wow, well it should be any day now... when were those pics taken? I'd leave her along and try to minimize any stress... they usually lay when the barometric pressure drops... some light misting could be helpful too. Definately eager to see how this turns out for you.

Thank you for the advice! I'll definitely take it. The rads were taken on Monday, the 23rd. I have a dark cloth over her bin to keep it dark, and I've only given her her Calcium Supplement twice for fear of stressing her out to much. And I will start regular misting. I had never thought of that. Thanks in advance, and I will keep you posted!
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Re: Ever wonder what eggs look like when they're still inside the ball pyton?
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2009, 05:25:32 PM »
Awsome pics!! The WC female is a hottie to and cant wait to see the babies!


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Great post.