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Re: Wired Article on Python Ban
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2010, 01:15:36 PM »

Nine species of giant, exotic snakes will face new import and transportation restrictions if regulations under consideration by the Interior Department are enacted.

The snakes would be listed as “injurious species” under the Lacey Act, a law first established in 1900 that gives the Interior Department the ability to restrict some aspects of commercial distribution of potentially harmful plants and animals.

“The Burmese python and these other alien snakes are destroying some of our nation’s most treasured — and most fragile — ecosystems,” Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said in a statement. “The Interior Department and states such as Florida are taking swift and common-sense action to control and eliminate the populations of these snakes, but it is an uphill battle in ecosystems where they have no natural predators. If we are going to succeed, we must shut down the importation of the snakes and end the interstate commerce and transportation of them.”

The new regulations come after the the U.S. Geological Survey published an assessment of the risk posed by exotic snakes to native ecosystems. That 300-page study found that the snakes could put 150 endangered species at further risk if they continued to be released into the wild.

While not an outright ban on the snakes — pet owners could still keep them and buy them from in-state sources — they could reduce the number of snakes on the market. That will likely drive up the prices for the snakes. And that’s exactly the point, said USGS zoologist Gordon Rodda, who co-led the study.


“It probably will have the effect of driving up the price somewhat. From the standpoint of unwanted pets being released, that’s actually a very good thing,” Rodda told Wired.com. “People are dumping the animals because they are not worth anything, so if you make them more valuable, then they are less inclined to be released.”

In other words, by restricting cheap foreign snake imports, the Interior Department hopes to raise price of “used” snakes. It’s a market-based mechanism for changing the behavior of pet owners.

But, Rodda noted, the new regulations won’t do anything to address the populations of snakes that are already established.

“This really only addresses the prevention of future problems, it’s certainly not air tight,” he said. “There are still going to be tens of thousands of these animals around, some of which will escape or be released.”

Individual animals can be a nuisance, but it’s reproducing populations that are the big problem. Three species have established breeding populations in the United States: Burmese pythons, boa constrictors and Northern African pythons. All the known populations are in south Florida.

How a few scattered individuals released far from each other in time and space find each other and begin to breed is a major outstanding research question. Indeed, it seems downright improbable.

“It takes an unusual confluence of events, and because it’s a rare event, it makes the science a little complicated,” Rodda said.

Establishing a new population of non-native animals can be difficult even when humans are trying to do it. In the early 1890s, a group called the American Acclimatization Society engaged in a project to introduce every bird mentioned by Shakespeare into New York. The starlings they released had colonized the entire American continent by 1950, but it took several releases to get the original colony established.

“They brought them over many times before it actually worked,” Rodda said. “It wasn’t just one or two birds, either; they brought a whole bunch.”

Nonetheless, we know that humans have somehow created populations of snakes accidentally. The key may be that it doesn’t actually take many animals to create a new population. After World War II, the brown tree snake was accidentally introduced into Guam. Over the last 50 years, the species has overrun the island, killing off native species and seriously damaging the native ecosystem. Mitochondrial DNA analysis has found that all those rampaging snakes are the offspring of a single female, Rodda said.



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Re: Wired Article on Python Ban
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2010, 01:52:05 AM »
they arent thinking very clearly...they ban them across the country for an issue in 1 state...not 15,30, 40 states no 1 damn state...we all are being punished for 1 state's issues...that is rediculous...they are driving up the price of snakes to protect an eco system they generally don't care about? They are ruining people's lives so they can flex their muscles again?

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"The Burmese python and these other alien snakes are destroying some of our nation’s most treasured — and most fragile — ecosystems,”

i understand snakes need to eat but these snakes arent eating everyday...are they forgetting about the construction, pollution, and hunting that we as humans do? Or is that different? Who is at fault for these animals being on the endangered species list in the first damn place? So we are point the blame at snakes for our mistake? So inturn we people who live NOWHERE NEAR florida have to suffer because ignorant unprepared people take into their homes Advanced level snakes...we as an actual community are being punished because more popluar pet store owners dont share with their customers that these snakes get huge?! serious what the fuck is up with that?! I had dreams of buying my first reticulated python and raising him or her to being a full blown 20ft adult but those dreams are going to be crushed because of stupid 8year children who nag their weak parents into getting the pretty snake!! >:( Its BULLSHIT! Ecosystems evolve and their will always be predators against the snakes its called PEOPLE, and its always been people! Are they not remembering these facts? Or is it different because we arent animals? Stupid government and their need for power...i have a serious contempt for our government, whom we pay to ruin our lives.

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Re: Wired Article on Python Ban
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2010, 01:02:45 PM »
QUOTE:  So we are point the blame at snakes for our mistake? So inturn we people who live NOWHERE NEAR florida have to suffer because ignorant unprepared people take into their homes Advanced level snakes

Rachet you have the right to be mad as any of us do but you do need to watch what you say I'm trying my best to be nice so bare with me. not every python loose in the wild was released by a owner in the state of Florida we have these small natural disasters called hurricanes which have been known to level whole cities (google hurricane andrew you'll see south florida leveled) a lot of these animals escaped during this storm and others also. Now florida has a disaster plan for non native wild life so that problem is fixed. Yes the government should be worried about Florida not every state but we in florida who are responsible python owners like myself have taken the toll for the wild burms and retics I have to pay a fee of 100 dollars a year probably for the rest of my life but thats ok i can deal with that. But i will not tolerate some one calling python owners in florida ignorant and unprepared I can surely gurantee you that pythons are being let loose across the country its just our warm climate down here thatthey thrive in. I just ask you to do your home work before pointing your finger at a whole state. Thank you for you r time and have a blessed day

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Re: Wired Article on Python Ban
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2010, 05:45:52 PM »
dang guys, chill out if anyone is to blame for this bull %#@# it is bill nelson, the media, the unimformed general public, peta, hsus and the rest of the gov. not a time to become divided
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Re: Wired Article on Python Ban
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2010, 11:36:21 PM »
Firstly i did not call all Florida snake owners ignorant, i stated "Ignorant People" as in the people who buy snakes w/o knowing they grow to sizes they are not ready for,i am not pointing at one entire state and calling them all ignorant thats a tad out of line since i dont know everyone in Florida(and the people i do know are not ignorant lol) so i apologize you take it so personally and so generally...as i said later on petstore owners prey on the ignorance of some people to make sales. So again i apologize that you took that so personally i thought i made it clear when i said "ignorant people" meaning those who don't know how to properly take care of a burm, but i did do my homework and i'm not blaming the entire state of Florida...

I agree this isnt a time to be divided but i'm not dividing anyone i did not say(or mean) the entire state of florida. But the arguement is being made about Everglades 1 section of the country i understand there are plenty of snakes that escape around the country BUT that is not the issue at hand, the issue is people who let them go because they are too big, they eat to much, or the child doesnt play with them anymore. I have another question in Las Vegas, Nevada dog fighting is heavy and the pitbulls that they can't use anymore are thrown onto the streets. Not because of their pasts they know nothing besides fighting so inturn children and adults alike are being killed so in Las Vegas(at least when i lived there) they were working to pass a law making pitbulls completely illegal to own...Now i knew already florida owners needed to pay to keep their snakes but why is this spanning the country? why arent they handling this internally like the gov in Vegas?

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Re: Wired Article on Python Ban
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2010, 11:41:41 AM »
I'd say there sure are alot of ignorant snake keepers in florida. If that pisses you off, re-read it, it does NOT say all snake keepers in florida, just that there are some ignorant snake keepers there. And in arkansas, ohio, and the rest of the 50 states of the united states, and just about every country in the world. And yes, something does need to be done about them.
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Re: Wired Article on Python Ban
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2010, 01:06:40 PM »
I agree donnie but the blame doesn't get pointed at Ohio but Florida it pisses me off everyone blames FL they can survive here they can't in Ohio or NY. I'll keep my opions to myself from now on I don't want to stir up anything.

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Re: Wired Article on Python Ban
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2010, 01:30:29 PM »
Well that is true... an animal released in florida is a bigger threat than an animal released in ohio, but that's not the point. The point is people need to be educated, that's why we have forums like this one.
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Re: Wired Article on Python Ban
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2010, 01:36:15 PM »
I 100% agree bro

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