Are You Kidding Me?

[abi21491]

Thought you guys would get a kick out of this:

http://www.hoobly.com/0/0/1100440.html

I look on hoobly quite often, and this seller first posted this snake and a female normal ball for $650 + $200 shipping. I emailed her and told her she can ship much cheaper, she had an attitude at first but then was grateful. She claimed she spent $650 on the spider male alone, which I call BS. Anyway, she couldn't sell the pair for that so decided to throw in a male Sav monitor into the ad. All three for $650. This is a great deal since she spent $650 on just one, right???

Well, she couldn't sell them so she lowered the price to $450 all three. Then a week later she puts it back to $650. Now she has only the spider male listed and instead of saying she paid $650 for him like all of her previous ads, she's now spent $1000 on him.

WHAT A SCAM!!! Seriously... People amaze me.

[Moe]

...And I'm sure you can see the value in that.   

[GoombasReptiles]

People think too much of themselves and very little of others. This person must think that only she knows anything about the reptiles, or reptiles in general and that everyone else has no clue and should just take her word for it. I see ads all the time that really just piss me off. I see ads with overpriced animals. I see ads where the person says they need to get rid of stuff to make room, or that the landlord said it had to go...but they are willing to trade for other reps... Seriously? Am I the only one smart enough to know what I am reading? On occasion I feel the need to verbally bitch slap these people and let them know that someone is watching.
I'd love to write more but I'm on day 13 of swine flu and those damn emoticons above this box are making me dizzy lol

[abi21491]

People think too much of themselves and very little of others. This person must think that only she knows anything about the reptiles, or reptiles in general and that everyone else has no clue and should just take her word for it. I see ads all the time that really just piss me off. I see ads with overpriced animals. I see ads where the person says they need to get rid of stuff to make room, or that the landlord said it had to go...but they are willing to trade for other reps... Seriously? Am I the only one smart enough to know what I am reading? On occasion I feel the need to verbally bitch slap these people and let them know that someone is watching.
I'd love to write more but I'm on day 13 of swine flu and those damn emoticons above this box are making me dizzy lol

I know, it is a real shame. Glad I'm not the only one who notices too. Hope you get better soon! I had the flu a couple weeks ago but it only lasted 5 days for me, lol.

[edf]

I paid a crapload for my spider male- was a few years ago b4 prices dropped and he was almost breeding size. I say it was a bad choice on my part b/c i didnt need one that was almost ready to breed since i waitied a while til breed sin=ze i had no females. i prolyl coul dhave bought a baby an dstill have bred last season.

Now, if i were tosell him, wold i charge what I paid for him? heck no, no way I wol dget that amount of money for him!

sounds liek this person is just being greedy or thinks she will get what she had paid for it- be it over priced to begin with.  I hope no one who doenst know any better falls for it.  All one has ot do is search the classifieds to get a spider for the market price.

OR she really coul dfeel that spider is worth more. I would spend up to 400 dollars for a  ( younger)pastel if the quality was great- an I wol dfeel it was well worth it as well- i actually pass on the cheapest pastels I see. i'll pay more for quality. 

but th esecond scenerio may not be what is happening here from the sounds of it.

[GoombasReptiles]

I paid a crapload for my spider male- was a few years ago b4 prices dropped and he was almost breeding size. I say it was a bad choice on my part b/c i didnt need one that was almost ready to breed since i waitied a while til breed sin=ze i had no females. i prolyl coul dhave bought a baby an dstill have bred last season.

Now, if i were tosell him, wold i charge what I paid for him? heck no, no way I wol dget that amount of money for him!

sounds liek this person is just being greedy or thinks she will get what she had paid for it- be it over priced to begin with.  I hope no one who doenst know any better falls for it.  All one has ot do is search the classifieds to get a spider for the market price.

OR she really coul dfeel that spider is worth more. I would spend up to 400 dollars for a  ( younger)pastel if the quality was great- an I wol dfeel it was well worth it as well- i actually pass on the cheapest pastels I see. i'll pay more for quality. 

but th esecond scenerio may not be what is happening here from the sounds of it.

Just out of curiosity, what do you base quality on? To me, cheap isnt always bad, but I will admit I have seen some horrid animals up for sale. I have a bad taste in my mouth for alot of the big breeders. If the animals were really that much better, than sure, I guess. But I think mom and pop breeders (most of them anyways) put a bit of extra care into their animals. They don't have the big warehouses full of breeders, so every single animal they produce has to be of good quality, or they would have nothing. I feel like some of the big names of today are riding on their names and I have problems perpetuating that. Just my opinion.

[edf]

By quality, what I mean is, for example- ever see an ugly pastel?  very brown and not very yellow? I wol dpay morre for  apastel that has nicer yellows and better representation of what a pastel shold look like.  I have some nice pastels, and I got some uglier ones.  I am trying my best not to pick up the no tso yellow ones b/c I want to work with nice quality pastels.  If I feel, say a Mojo that is 450 is a better example of the mojave morph than one i seen for 300, i would buy the one that had the best representation of said morph.  ( Money tho can play into a factor, one has a set price limit, but always buy th ebest quality you can afford) I'd buy from someone who practices selective breeding when creating their babies over someone who just randomly pairs up the parents.

Part of it can be preference- reduced pattern spiders are of higher value in my eyes than one full of dots as well as any reduced pattern patterning...lol. 

And yes, the care of the babies is a factor too I agree.

You can find deals tho if you look good enough, bt I jst dont look for the cheapest price tag when purchasing snakes for a breeding project.  Its nic ewhen you find nice quality and not a hefty pricetag tho...

[GoombasReptiles]

By quality, what I mean is, for example- ever see an ugly pastel?  very brown and not very yellow? I wol dpay morre for  apastel that has nicer yellows and better representation of what a pastel shold look like.  I have some nice pastels, and I got some uglier ones.  I am trying my best not to pick up the no tso yellow ones b/c I want to work with nice quality pastels.  If I feel, say a Mojo that is 450 is a better example of the mojave morph than one i seen for 300, i would buy the one that had the best representation of said morph.  ( Money tho can play into a factor, one has a set price limit, but always buy th ebest quality you can afford) I'd buy from someone who practices selective breeding when creating their babies over someone who just randomly pairs up the parents.

Part of it can be preference- reduced pattern spiders are of higher value in my eyes than one full of dots as well as any reduced pattern patterning...lol. 

And yes, the care of the babies is a factor too I agree.

You can find deals tho if you look good enough, bt I jst dont look for the cheapest price tag when purchasing snakes for a breeding project.  Its nic ewhen you find nice quality and not a hefty pricetag tho...

I think I completely agree with you lol. Yes, I have seen some not so nice pastels. I have been looking for a few lately and I'll be honest, seeing that they tend to brown out as they get older, I would definitely refrain from buying anything that wasn't spectacular. But as you said, you will pay the price for that.

I love the reduced patterns but it seems like no one has done any work with them or at least hasnt posted results anywhere. I cant find any information on them. I have seen breeders list some as "proven" offspring of a morph and a reduced, but there is no real proof, which is a shame. Some people have made mention of them being a different locale. I would really like to see who has done what with them. I would like to stick with reduceds for all of my projects. I just think they are cleaner and more pleasing to look at and since I am doing the poor mans morphs with only pastels (lol), I can only hope that the babies come out clean and bright.

I'm still new to all of this. I used to breed corns and kept burms. The morphs kept me interested but my wallet said otherwise, but back then it wasn't really a big deal. Now I am trying to be smart about my purchases. Actually, so far, the 7 bp's I have now only set me back a few small dragons. I lucked out with the trades so the money I saved is going towards something that is a smart investment....or so I like to believe lol

[edf]

well, as long as you do your best and learn thats what counts.  I made a poor choice with my first pastel, didnt know what to really look for.  But in general, all pastels brown out to an extent when they get older- they lookm best when young.  But a nice pastel will stand out as an adult from a browner one.

If you want a suggestion from me since you are working with pastels, pick a lighter color mate for them ( if you are choosing between a non pastel mate)  A normal bp with a lighter color, and/or a more golden color will most likely give off much lighter pastels.   I have some females that are just plain too dark for me to even consider pairing to a pastel. My uglier pastel will most likely only be breed with another pastel at the least- a super pastel wol dbe best to try to bring out a nicer color. 
Another thing to think about with pstels is high contrast verses blushing. I prefer high blushing, and so i think of blushing aspects for the pastels and their pairs as well.  I dont have  awide selection of snakes, so i paired with a lighter female for my pastel this season- i wol dlove a light color gold bp with a lot of blushing for a mate for a pastel!!

Another aspect to consider is the darker snakes- they wold most likely go better for black pastels, cinnies, and mojos if you want to go for darker mojo's.

* bare in mind, this is my veiw on it.  I actualyl would also liek to go for light colored cinnies- so pairing with a light snak emay end in nice results. Some of it is simply what yo want to go for, but if you look at th enormals you have, try to pick out the ones that will enhance the said morph's traits. Or what you want to try to go for ( example being the lighter cinnies- i think lighter cinnies wouldmake nicer pewters...)

Also, i have heard of people getting awesome babies from not so good examples of parent morph.  Nothing is a guarentee, but I fele with more of a selecting breeding approach, you have a much better shot at having influence over the babies that are produced.

The speil with reduced patterns from what I understand it, the genetic reduced patterns that are proven can be either dominantor co dom ( i forget which one) or recessive.  Some are just for looks and arent genetic at all.  However, if you want reduced pattern babies in your breedign plans, you'd have a better shot if using reduced pattern parents than busy pattern ones ( but once again, not set in stone. I know of an online pal who loves reduced patterns, and she got a lot of busy pattern babies!)

And abot pastels.... one of my most exciting breeding projects is simplky the pastel project.  I am going for supers ( in a few years)- high blushing supers. I also want to make the really nice pastels.  Yeah, they may be one of the cheapest morph out there, but I want to bring back the pretty pastels.  Pastels are the one morph I am always looking for believe it or not. 

talk about going off topic tho- and writing another novel....lol. sometimes i get rambling!

[abi21491]

I paid a crapload for my spider male- was a few years ago b4 prices dropped and he was almost breeding size. I say it was a bad choice on my part b/c i didnt need one that was almost ready to breed since i waitied a while til breed sin=ze i had no females. i prolyl coul dhave bought a baby an dstill have bred last season.

Now, if i were tosell him, wold i charge what I paid for him? heck no, no way I wol dget that amount of money for him!

sounds liek this person is just being greedy or thinks she will get what she had paid for it- be it over priced to begin with.  I hope no one who doenst know any better falls for it.  All one has ot do is search the classifieds to get a spider for the market price.

OR she really coul dfeel that spider is worth more. I would spend up to 400 dollars for a  ( younger)pastel if the quality was great- an I wol dfeel it was well worth it as well- i actually pass on the cheapest pastels I see. i'll pay more for quality. 

but th esecond scenerio may not be what is happening here from the sounds of it.

I agree with you totally on quality. If I need something for a project I will pay higher for a nicer animal. I think everyone should. But, I really do not believe this is the case with this ad I posted... She probably lied the first time she said $650, and she definitely lied when she changed it to $1000. If you can lie so easily in public with something as simple as that I wouldn't take any other word from that person seriously. Yes she has a nice snake, but I don't think even the nicest spider is worth $650 (male anyway) in these horrible economic times. Heck, I see people struggling to buy low end stuff all the time!