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Offline crown0826

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Burms Disease?
« on: July 01, 2009, 09:40:45 AM »
Ok I'm gonna post another thread abd most likely me laughed at but here is goes I saw this on another reptile forum sight and they were talking about burms disease basically they said it runs more in labs and greens but also to clarify something this so called disease has no scientific back up as of yet so this is all say here. They also said its comparable to the virus humans carry  AIDS I guess it weakens their immune systems and causes RI's and eventually their immune system won't be able to fight it anymore and well they go to snake heaven lol. I just wanted someones opinion on this more of you experienced folks seeing as i only have 9 years with reptiles i have to two more years and then donnie can't call me a nOob! thanks all.
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Re: Burms Disease?
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2009, 09:56:13 AM »
 :nicethread: I'd like to hear more on this also. Is it a form of IBD? What are the symptoms, causes, how is it spread.. Don't feel bad Troy, technically i'm a noob also. I've only been around reptiles for 4 years.  :snake1:
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Re: Burms Disease?
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2009, 11:01:16 AM »
na Kristi i don't feel bad at all especially when i walk into my snake room its like Christmas everyday! lol I'm gonna try and get more info on this but like I said this so called disease isn't scientifically proven as I am told but I will try and get more info on this and if anyone else has any info on this please don't hesitate to share!
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Re: Burms Disease?
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2009, 11:11:48 AM »
It's pretty much all speculation at this point.  The labs, albino labs in particular, have been known to have weaker immune systems.  In my opinion, this problem is the direct result of too much inbreeding to produce the morph.  Inbreeding of reptiles has the same affect it has on mammals, it just takes a few extra generations for the problems to arise.  If you take a lab, then breed it to an albino to produce double hets, then breed the double hets back to the lab parent to produce labs 50% possible het albino, then breed the labs 50% het albino to each other to produce albino labs and various hets, and then breed the albino lab back to one of the proven het albino labs, you can see that is a ton of inbreeding.  When this is done as quickly as possible, without regard for the integrity of the bloodline, it causes problems.
This is part of the reason I have chosen to keep a normal female around.  So that I can breed morphs to her and produce hets that have new blood in them.
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Re: Burms Disease?
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2009, 11:18:53 AM »
Thanks Joel for the info brother!!
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Re: Burms Disease?
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2009, 11:34:36 AM »
Quote from: Joel on July 01, 2009, 11:11:48 AM
It's pretty much all speculation at this point.  The labs, albino labs in particular, have been known to have weaker immune systems.  In my opinion, this problem is the direct result of too much inbreeding to produce the morph.  Inbreeding of reptiles has the same affect it has on mammals, it just takes a few extra generations for the problems to arise.  If you take a lab, then breed it to an albino to produce double hets, then breed the double hets back to the lab parent to produce labs 50% possible het albino, then breed the labs 50% het albino to each other to produce albino labs and various hets, and then breed the albino lab back to one of the proven het albino labs, you can see that is a ton of inbreeding.  When this is done as quickly as possible, without regard for the integrity of the bloodline, it causes problems.
This is part of the reason I have chosen to keep a normal female around.  So that I can breed morphs to her and produce hets that have new blood in them.

Makes sense....kinda lol

But you know I get lost easily....a bunch of inbreeding definitely makes sense as to how the immune system gets weakened. 

I guess people see $$$ more than healthy snakes and wind up doing that.
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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2009, 11:35:43 AM »
Thank you Joel, that does make a lot of sense.
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Re: Burms Disease?
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2009, 11:47:35 AM »
Quote from: ivy_trick_mess on July 01, 2009, 11:34:36 AM
I guess people see $$$ more than healthy snakes and wind up doing that.

WAY too damned often... to the point they'll even breed animals with kinked backs and shit just to make a buck... or call an animal a morph that it isnt... Sad...
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Re: Burms Disease?
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2009, 11:58:32 AM »
So, how would one go about getting say, a labb, that hasn't been inbred.  Is it just luck o the draw?  Or is there a way to tell if someone like Joel is breeding them (not inbreeding)?
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Re: Burms Disease?
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2009, 12:16:07 PM »
it's a recessive trait and all originates from only one wild caught original animal... so they're all inbred somewhere along the line... it's just a matter of how many times, and if new blood has been introduced.
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