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Offline edf

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RI Update
« on: April 26, 2009, 06:32:54 PM »
Ok, so the snake has been on treatment for 10 days... consisting of .5ml of baytril every other day and saline solution.

Iam still hearing her gurgle and she still has mucus in her throat. i hadn't seen as much mucus in her mouth, but after i pulled the tube out, I noticed I seen some in her miuth but that very well could have been from removing the tub.

Now, I was talking to a freind who has a snake with an RI, and she was doing baytril everyday... Now of course I am going to follow my vets advice, but the freind asked why the baytril was being used everyother day and not every day? Does anyone have any input on that?  How long will this take to fix?  I still have a decent amount of medicine yet, and I am to give it to her til its done...

Perhaps I am just worring too soon since she still has meds left- And Yes, the culture came back and the baytril will cure it.  I am just curious as to her progress is normal.
She has to be feeling a bit better since she is friesty- she tagged my b/f last med giving.

Another question... my Vet is insiting I feed her, but I am kinda unsure if I should- you know, the whole dont handle 2 days after eats, and she is really fighting us now with the tube.  I am planning on offering her a weaned rat tomorow and see if she eats.

But there is another part of this... my vet said that if this snake doesnt eat in like 2 weeks, she wan'ts to force the snake to either eat something or give it suppliments... I am not force feeding, and do you really think suppliments are needed? The snake has good weight and all, shows no signs of desperatly needing to have food. I have some snakes that do fast, and I dont give them suppliments... Now, I dont know exactly what the vet was planning on giving her , but I just want some input on that- do you think the snake will need suppliment stuff or anything? Now, she may eat tomorow, but she is still weezing when I take her out- she is hissing a lot more b/c of her not liking it...

Any input will be appreciated- just looking for advice on if things are going well or not
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Re: RI Update
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2009, 07:24:30 PM »
honestly I wouldn't complain about it at all.. I don't think the baytril will help any more than raising temps and lowering humidity... but it does hinder the immune system in the long run... if he's saying every 2 days, he's either a smart vet and had that in mind... or the RI wasn't that severe to begin with.
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Re: RI Update
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2009, 05:22:10 PM »
Donnie, can you provide me with information that prooves Baytril lowers the immunity of the snake over time? Also, any ifno on how you determined that all you need to do to cure an RIis to raise temps and lower humidity?  All the research I do says the oposite and all, I just want to see for myself that the things you are claiming are true ( Not saying I dont believe you Donnie, don'
t take it that way, I just want to see it for myself)

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Re: RI Update
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2009, 06:24:25 PM »
Well Donnie has healed a burm with severe mouth root and IR this way and i have seen it all from the begining to the end with pictures as proof, RI is caused by lov temps and high humidity, its a mix that makes snakes really sick, so i think by eliminating the two factors that cause the illness you make a whole better enviroment for the snake to heal in....
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Re: RI Update
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2009, 06:52:22 PM »
Well the low humidity stops the spreading of the bacterias, and the higher tem. works good for the snake ! And this method works for most of the snakes, so sometimes is better than the antibiotics . You know, antibiotics can have site effects, especially ones that are not made for the specific animals . So I like trying all the non medicine solutions and if that doesn't work, than go for the meds.   Anyway, keep your resеarch and make your decision on what you think is the best. Good luck and keep us informed !  Hope the girl will feel better     
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Re: RI Update
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2009, 07:09:32 PM »
thanx for the input guys...
**for the record, I am not sayng Donnie is lying or anything like that, so if I came across that way I appologize**

I just can't seem to find too much info on Baytri. I read a forum post where the poster says the baytril can cause blindness in cats... but people doubt it would result in that- if so, why would vets be so quick to give it? I am just seeing if there is any books or articles I can read to further my understanding of the effects of Baytril so I can read it first hand an dnot just hear it from someone. 

I am just trying to find the info just so I know and all. I hear more can cause an RI, too high humidity and too low humidity, the cool temps, bacteria, viruses, keeping them in dirty cages... and I keep up on all that.  The snake in question was my newest addition, so she could have been in a dirty cage or temps not kept right b4 I got her- tho she looked in great condition... but I am keeping her temps up and trying to keep the humidity low and a clean cage on my part.

I checked the snake out, and I heard more hissing than gurgles.  Its just a pain in the butt that all the info I find on RIs and treatment seem to be one of the 2- completly the same, or complete opposites...

I know th ebest way to treat and RI is to prevent it, and I am glad that I have done great with my other snakes!

But thanx for the input guys, I am just trying to find out as much as I can!
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Re: RI Update
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2009, 07:13:10 PM »
Aha- did find out one side effect for injecting Baytril- burns at the sitre location due to too much of a dosage being administered at one time...
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Re: RI Update
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2009, 07:14:06 PM »
Quote from: edf on April 27, 2009, 07:13:10 PM
Aha- did find out one side effect for injecting Baytril- burns at the sitre location due to too much of a dosage being administered at one time...
Think of it like this hun, if you take a medicine for so long, you will most likely become immune to the affects of the medicine and it won't work any longer.  It works the same way with Baytril with snakes.
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Re: RI Update
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2009, 07:26:46 PM »
Ok, is that what he meant?  B/c the vet said the same thng, if the snake is on baytril too long it will just be immune to it...I thought he meant that the snake will have a lower immunity system in general- meaning the snake will get sick a lot easier because of that...?? Like how a person can just have a lower immunity sytem in general... 

But I am still finding a lot of different answers...

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The reality is that most of the cutting edge vets working with ball pythons (Scott Stahl, Charles Innus, Elliot Jacobson) are moving away from Baytil all togther in favor of third generation anti-pseudomonal cephalosporins or combinations of enroflaxin (or an aminoglycoside) and a cephalosporin. "

I also read that oral meds of baytril are not th ebest to use to treat an RI, but my vet didnt really give me the option of an injectable med. BUT Yes, I just stated the side effects of that too...

I just fear that by just lowering the humidity and raising the temps will just mask the problems... I eventually want to keep her in the snake room and eventually breed her, so if the RI is simply just masked and not really cured, couldnt she just spread it through my whole collection? Is this snake gonna have to be q-tined for ever?   

See, I think I am still missing  apiece of the pie in my confusion and just not knowing a whole heck of a lot about RI's... I only hope you all tolerate my silly questions and wonderings...

BUT never think that I am questioning yas b/c I think you are wrong or lying, just trying to get things sorted out...;)
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Re: RI Update
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2009, 07:37:34 PM »
Now this was our experience with Baytril.  You can read it as you wish.

Our vet said the major issues with baytril is making sure the snake stays Hydrated and a possibility of causing kidney damage.  

We have had one snake that required Baytril shots early last year.  Our regimine was one injection once a day for 10 days straight switching sides.  I think it was .4 cc, but I would have to dig into the wifes records to find out for sure granted the amount would not make a difference since she was 1854 grams and the amount is based on weight.  We did not do any diluting.  She was pretty much good to go from their on out.  She has never experienced any issues since and with any luck she will be dropping her first clutch this year.

This was our experience with it, use it as you wish.   :goodluck:
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