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Re: The hearing is over. Let's discuss.
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2009, 10:12:18 PM »
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Re: The hearing is over. Let's discuss.
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2009, 11:52:23 PM »
We really couldn't have heard better news than this today.  To everyone who stood up and was heard today, may the silent thank yous of our scaly loved ones enhance your well-deserved slumber tonight.  Sleep tight, secure in the knowledge that hundreds of thousands of our animals were spared destruction today as a direct result of your efforts.

In times like these, it is good to be reminded that our government is not yet completely beyond the influence of it's citizens.  Awake tomorrow refreshed, vigilant, and ready to stand together again against tomorrow's challenges.


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Re: The hearing is over. Let's discuss.
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2009, 01:17:01 AM »
I tell you what. I was SO nervous all day. For real, and couldn't find ANY answers whilest I was at school.
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Re: The hearing is over. Let's discuss.
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2009, 02:43:27 PM »
Copied from Herpfamily.com...seems relevant here...

"Important read!!!!! Please
April 30, 2009

Hello Fellow Herpers,

In recent days there have been many comments on topics related to HR669, so I

decided to make a few of my own. If you care to, please forward this letter on to others as

food for thought. My name is Bill Brant, and my [COLOR=#006699! important][COLOR=#006699! important]wife[/color][/color] and I own The Gourmet Rodent. I

have been on the board of directors for the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council (PIJAC)

since March, 2003. I have also represented the Reptile Industry in Florida on the Animal

Industry Technical Council (AITC), an advisory council to the Commissioner of

Agriculture for the state of Florida.

In recent months our industry has been involved in several high profile pieces of

federal legislation, HR669 and S373. HR669 has gotten more attention in recent months

because it just came before the House Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans and

Wildlife, but make no mistake, S373 as well as other issues threaten our emerging

industry.

I have been encouraged by the outpouring of responses that preceded the hearing on

HR669, however I have been saddened and somewhat confused by the responses I have

seen on several of the forums by the leadership in the industry.

My confusion is because many posts indicate that HR669 is dead in the water. To my

knowledge, that is not the case. At the end of the hearing, Rep. Bordallo stated that there

would be a ten day comment period. I have seen nothing official that states anything

other than the bill is still in progress,

(http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/index.[COLOR=#006699! important][COLOR=#006699! important]php[/color][/color]?option=com_jcalpro&Itemid=60&extm

ode=view&extid=246).

Even if it is going to undergo a significant revision, or a re-write, I believe our

industry should offer to help come to a reasonable compromise, rather than dig our heels

in and take the position of no compromise. If we do that, we may find out that we are in

the minority, and get out voted. I also think it is unwise to prematurely claim victory at

this point in time. We may have gotten their attention, and earned their respect for having

garnered so much grassroots support, however to “crow” about victory prematurely could

cause them to take a more unyielding position when it comes down to the compromises

they are willing to concede to.

I am saddened by the misinformation that is abundant in recent posts on forums.

Especially when it comes to the intent and impact of the National Reptile Improvement

Plan (NRIP). To understand its intent, you need to understand its inception. It came about

as a result of the “Tick Symposium” held in July 2000 in Tallahassee, FL. The Tick

meeting came about because regulators in the Florida Department of Agriculture and the

US Department of Agriculture were responding to the “Heartwater Scare” of 1999. Ticks

carrying the bacterium that causes Heartwater [COLOR=#006699! important][COLOR=#006699! important]Disease[/color][/color], a very fatal disease for ruminant

animals such as [COLOR=#006699! important][COLOR=#006699! important]cattle[/color][/color], sheep and deer, were found on imported Leopard Tortoises. At the

time, FDOACS and USDA had no idea who the reptile industry was, so they sponsored

the symposium to see who would show up.

PIJAC and many concerned herpers showed up to try to limit the action of USDA and

FDOACS to just the reptiles that could be carrying the vector ticks. It became apparent at

the symposium that our industry would need Best Management Practices and Standard

Operating Procedures in order to have credibility in the eyes of our regulators. That is the

reason why NRIP was drafted, not to create an elite group of larger reptile [COLOR=#006699! important][COLOR=#006699! important]dealers[/color][/color] and

breeders. It took three years, and was open to anyone who showed an interest in

participating in the process. We welcomed all the help we could get.

In June 2008, we convened a group of interested herpers at the PIJAC office in

Washington, DC to review the NRIP document for potential amendments. One of the

topics we addressed was making the program more user friendly for smaller reptile

breeders of all types, sizes and descriptions. Most importantly, I want to emphasize that it

is PIJAC’s desire to have NRIP be a voluntary program. I think it is interesting to see the

similarity between the “code of ethics” of NCARK (the precursor of USARK) , and the

NRIP program. Please take time to check them out.( http://www.ncark.org/ethics.php)

(http://pijac.org/projects/project.asp?p=28).

A final reason why I am saddened is the seeming rivalry between USARK and PIJAC.

I suspect that this is the result of one being a forty year old organization, and the other

being a one year old organization. I am a member of both organizations, and urge you to

do the same. They both have something to add to our common cause. USARK is young

and reptile specific. PIJAC is seasoned and has been the “go to” resource for regulators

and legislators for decades. As far as I can tell, the desired outcome of both organizations

is to have a workable set of regulations that enable people to pursue their passion for

reptiles while providing protection for the environment, public health and safeguards for

people in our communities that don’t share our enthusiasm for reptiles. ( PIJAC’s

position on HR669 is included here: http://pijac.org/governmentaffairs/hr669forum.asp )

I think our interests would be better served if we focused on solving the legislative

challenges we all face in a unified manner. Please consider what I have said. I look

forward to seeing many of you at the Daytona Expo, or the NARBC shows that I attend.

Sincerely,

Bill Brant

The Gourmet Rodent"
"We're Americans we don't plan, we do!"

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Re: The hearing is over. Let's discuss.
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2009, 10:18:34 AM »
Copied from Herpfamily.com...seems relevant here...

"Important read!!!!! Please
April 30, 2009

Hello Fellow Herpers,
.....

 Please consider what I have said. I look

forward to seeing many of you at the Daytona Expo, or the NARBC shows that I attend.

Sincerely,

Bill Brant

The Gourmet Rodent"

Thanks for the share Ivy,  I've been mixed up myself by the rumors of rivalry between the two. I'm an USARK member but not a PIJAC member at this point.  Though I've entertained joining.   I was really active along with many during the weeks of fighting this but have been mixed up over the varying feedback as well...I'd love to know the down and dirty on the bill, and whether it is indeed being pursued or...rewritten or what..


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Re: The hearing is over. Let's discuss.
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2009, 01:41:52 AM »
Girl, you and me both!!  I understood it was at least being revised.  I may have misunderstood...lol...wouldn't be the first time!!  It may be re-written, hell I don't know  :sign163:
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Re: The hearing is over. Let's discuss.
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2009, 09:14:37 AM »
Girl, you and me both!!  I understood it was at least being revised.  I may have misunderstood...lol...wouldn't be the first time!!  It may be re-written, hell I don't know  :sign163:

Guess we just wait it out?  I don't do so well with the waiting game.   :givebeer:

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Re: The hearing is over. Let's discuss.
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2009, 06:41:11 AM »
i still dont understand what it is the government thinks its trying to "fix"...what problems has ANY reptile owner gone to the government and complained about??...in the mean time enjoy the show  :happy64:

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Re: The hearing is over. Let's discuss.
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2009, 09:37:31 PM »
Going to re-post this email that I got yesterday.  It may have changed since then, but it highlights what offices we really need to hit up ;)

HOT OFF THE PRESS: PHONE CALLS MAKING A DIFFERENCE!
admin Phone Calls 2009-04-22
Just got off the phone with Representative Kildees office.  Representative Kildee is a co-sponsor of HR 669 as well as a member of the Subcommittee on Insular Affairs, Oceans & Wildlife. The staffer said that Rep Kildee is rethinking his position based on the volume of phone calls his office is receiving that are opposed to HR 669.
A staffer in another of the Representatives offices said that they had gotten more phone calls about HR 669 than the Economic Stimulus bill!!!
Here is a list of all 23 Subcommittee Members that is all over the internet … we’ve added the latest information that we have about where they stand and feedback from our callers around the country. The accounts in red are third party information that may or may not be 100% accurate … but if we heard the same thing from 5 or more people about a call with a Representatives office, we felt that it would be ok to share.
Keep calling! Today and tomorrow morning too! The hearing is at 10AM EST, you can call right up to the hearing!
Remember, PLEASE be polite and PLEASE be respectful. Don’t be afraid to ask how many calls they’ve gotten or where the Representative stands on the issue, you are allowed. Do not forget to thank them for their time when you’re done.
Great job everyone, keep it up!

Madeleine Z. Bordallo (Ch)(NP-Guam)
202/225-1188 - Sponsor of the Bill, For it, Staffers telling people that they are over reacting and that their pets will be safe
 
Neil Abercrombie (D-HI)
202/225-2726 - Co-Sponsor of the Bill, For it, One staffer told me personally that “it’s going to pass”

Henry Brown (R-SC)
202/225-3176 - Opposes the bill, most vocal opposition on the subcommittee, USARK did a great job with Rep Brown!!
 
Lois Capps (D-CA)
202/225-3601 - Undecided at this time

William Cassidy (R-LA)
202/225-3901  - Undecided at this time (we need to keep calling and asking for his help!!!)

Jason Chaffetz (R-UT)
202/225-7751 - Strongly opposed!!!

Donna M. Christensen (NP-Virgin Islands)
202/225-1790 - Undecided at this time

Diana L. DeGette (D-CO)
202/225-4431 - Undecided at this time

Eni F.H. Faleomavaega (NP – American Samoa)
202/225-8577 - Undecided at this time

Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
202/225-2635 - Likely to oppose

John Fleming (R-LA)
202/225-2777 - Undecided at this time
Doc Hastings (R-WA)
202/225-5816 - Undecided at this time

Dale E. Kildee (D-MI)
202/225-3611 - Co-Sponsor of the Bill, was For it but due to the volume of calls in opposition is “re-thinking” his position. GET ON HIM!! This can make a huge difference!!!

Ronald James Kind (D-WI)
202/225-5506 - Co-Sponsor, For it

Frank M. Kratovil, Jr. (D-MD)
202/225-5311 - Undecided at this time, Spoke to Legislative staffers and they are very interested in the businesses that would be hurt and why there is such strong opposition.

Douglas L. Lamborn (R-CO)
202/225-4422 - Undecided at this time

Frank J. Pallone, Jr. (D-NJ)
202/225-4671 - For it

Pedro R. Pierluisi (NP-Puerto Rico)
202/225-2615 - Undecided at this time

Nick Joe Rahall, II (D-WV)
202/225-3452 - Undecided at this time

Gregorio Sablan (I- Mariana Islands)
202/225-2646 - Co-Sponsor, For it

Carol Shea-Porter (D-NH)
202/225-5456 - Undecided at this time. Reports that staffers seem agitated by calls.

Robert J. Wittman (R-VA)
202/225-4261 - Opposed

Donald E. Young (R-AK)
202/225-5765 - Undecided at this time

Something that most ppl don't realize......co and sponsors are for the bill....the peeps we need to convince are the actual COMMITTEE members, so that whatever new garbage they come up with, it DIES IN COMMITTEE!! The 23 Apr (crap) "testimony" was in the sub-committee. If we don't keep pressuring and giving our side of the story to the HoR that are on the Nature's whatever-whatever COMMITTEE we won't be able to keep fighting.

I'm grateful to PIJAC and USARK, but we need to keep the heat on. Just b/c it's gone back to be rewritten, you can bet your urates PETA and HSUS are still lobbying. We haven't succeeded yet.

I had sent the No HR 669 link to my sister w/her sending a letter to her WA rep. He didn't even know....and he's on the Committee. He's an example of who we all should be calling and emailing. Won't do ME any good to do my Rep. He's a co-sponsor, and his frigging reply to my emails shows I'm just spitting in the wind, despite my explaining how it will impact me and my pocketbook and family.
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