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your second snake
« on: April 03, 2009, 12:48:56 AM »
I'm sure i'm like many, many, other members who started out with the ball python, besides another ball, what was your choice for your second snake? For me, i have my eyes on another ball,maybe a pastel or mojave to breed with my spider, but still in my mind is what would be a step up experience/size/difficulty wise in general? Just curious what the progression in everyone elses passion was for.
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Re: your second snake
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2009, 12:54:58 AM »
My best advice is, get what you like..

I started out with a lot of wild caught animals that I found around our place ..as a kid. Then, I moved up to a little baby BCI ..around the age of 10. She was my first "store" snake ...she was probably wild caught or farm raised, too ...whatever. When I taught, I had a big Corn ..and now I have some Corns, some other "rat" snakes ..an array of pythons, from Spotteds to Balls to ..soon... a baby Burm .......and a few other boids and colubrids in between.

Like I said, get what you like ..what you're comfortable with ...what fits your lifestyle and so on....

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Re: your second snake
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2009, 01:04:12 AM »
Well, my first snakes were wild caught stuff I found outside, garters, big black rat snakes, milk snakes, etc. My first "store" snake was an albino California kingsnake. After that, was a ball python (still have that old geezer today!). After him, came more ball pythons... But after ball pythons, I got some boas. I put them on the same experience level, just a different size. It all went downhill from there.... lol! What do you like? Boas? Pythons? Thick/heavy bodied, or slender?
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Re: your second snake
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2009, 01:16:36 AM »
I started out with two balls I got at the same time (LOL, I just realised how that come out!)  But after them, the third was my wife's Dumerill's Boa.  She is still my calmest, completely trustworthy, and an all-around absolute doll.  After that came my BRB, her beardie, my leo, my beardie, my Viper Boa, and finally my wife's BCI.

Not that we really care who is who's, but she is as addicted as I am!

I am out of room where I live now, but I have a long list of others I plan on having once we move back to Texas.  They really are like Pringle's, you can not have just one!
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Re: your second snake
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2009, 05:43:55 AM »
The wife had a ball and kingsnake back in college.  When we started up together snakes 1 through 28 were ball pythons.  Then we got 2 bloods, then picked up 2 balls and a borneo short tail, then another blood, and the last two snakes into the house are my daughters and they are a pair of Kenyan Sand boas.

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Re: your second snake
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2009, 08:08:42 AM »
I had always wanted a snake but was too scared of the mice/rats to get one.  My first one was my Macklott's, then he got the retic, few months later we added the salmon boa and the albino burm, and our last pair to get was the balls...I think we did this backwards lol!  He really wants a savvy and next on my list is a bearded dragon.  We ARE doing this backwards huh?  Oh well, we're still doing it.   :party7:
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Re: your second snake
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2009, 10:03:12 AM »
balls really aren't very good starter snakes... they're way too picky for most amateurs. But if you're doing well with him and he's eating good for you, it may be time to move up to something more fun, or as you stated, just get into breeding. If what you're working with is a normal ball, you really would need 3 more balls to get into breeding. maybe a spider male, and a pastel female, and a pinstripe female? Me personally though if you're more into the enjoyment of working with these animals than the morphs, I think I'd move up to a nice carpet python.  :devil26:
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Re: your second snake
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2009, 10:15:13 AM »
My first snake was a het for pied male ball python then a little later was his girl friend another het for pied female ball python. Then I wanted a red tail boa, then we got her a boyfriend a hypo salmon boa. Then I just had to have a brizillen boa got it :) then two weeks ago we got a normal female ball python as a rescue. Next on my wish list will be a high contrast albino ball python. Think I wont go any bigger than a boa but who knows?? lol. Get what you like I would have to say.

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Re: your second snake
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2009, 10:54:05 AM »
I would tend to agree that a ball isn't the ideal beginner snake.  It's easily doable if the keeper is serious about getting into reptiles and does his/her research properly.  I think the problem is that they are sold by pet stores and (almost) every amateur breeder you see at a show.  It's impossible for a first-time owner to tell the difference between a CB and WC normal ball.  In fact, if it's a first snake, the prospective owner may not even know that there is a HUGE difference in their chances for success.

If they get one from a big box pet store, it will be CB and (sometimes) you will get a salesperson that knows something about them.  You will, however, pay way to much for it ($99 is about the average) and you will have to choose between the 1-3 they have in stock.  It's not a bad way for a first timer to get one, as the info on it will be generally accurate and the animal will likely be in pretty good health and parasite-free.

If you go to a small pet store, all bets are off.  You can find lots of really awesome local stores that sell great CB animals that are healthy and will make great first snakes, but you will find just as many shady or uninformed snake slingers that will sell you a sick, parasite-ridden, WC ball for anywhere from $25-$99.  Some will even lie about where they got them, and lead you to believe that caring for them is the same as caring for a corn snake.  If you buy from a local guy (and I think you should if you can find a good one) make sure that you get solid recommendations from your experienced snake owning friends.  Otherwise, you are much better going to a show or just buying one from PetSmart or PetCo.

Buying online from a reputable breeder is also a great option, and the selection can't be beat anywhere.  But again, buyer beware.  Get recommendations and read online reviews and such.  Ask who your friends or reputable forum members use.

Shows are the best choice for immediate gratification junkies who want a good selection at attractive prices.  Many shows are CB only.  That is a good place to start.  Ask other people at the show who the good breeders are, who they have bought from in the past, and who has a local store if you run into problems (many have local stores too).  Ask which ones are there every show, and who are first time vendors.  A vendor that is a "regular" at a show is someone who isn't hiding from anyone.  If you do have problems, you can usually go back to them at the next show and talk to them face-to-face.  New guys can be good too, but check their references.  Shows are exciting and low-priced for the quality of animals that are generally available.  Selection is generally good (esp for balls), and you get to leave with your new pet in hand, but you kinda have to know what you are there for in advance and have already done your research to get a good deal.  I love shows!

I think if you get a healthy CB ball that is feeding well and you do your husbandry research before you buy one, balls can be great first time snakes.  Unfortunately, it's hard for a total newbie to be aware of all this before the purchase.  Cornsnakes are probably the "best" first snake, as all are CB, they are cheap, and care is much less precise than boids (pythons, boas, anacondas - for the newbies LOL).  You are unlikely to have a bad experience with one of them unless you are really negligent in their care.
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Re: your second snake
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2009, 11:05:37 AM »
Don't Buy from petco or petsmart man... that's just bad news... Our one run in with IBD came from petco... doesn't just bring in one sick snake, it'll kill everything you have if your quarentine habits aren't on a professional level. if you're gonna buy a ball, get one from a reputable breeder, and by reputable, I don't mean your friend up the road that has a bunch of balls in 20 gallon tanks with heat lights and wood chips.
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